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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> phm-oz-bounces@phmoz.org on behalf of John Boffa<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 26/03/2010 6:14 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Peter Sainsbury; 'Bill Genat'; deborah@gleeson.net; phm-oz@phmoz.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Donna Ahchee; Stephanie Bell<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PHM-Oz] Please oppose welfare reform bill<BR></FONT><BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Calibri size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN class=692364706-26032010>I think there is a big difference between the denial of fundamental human rights as enshrined in the UN charter and the denial of what I think are better called privileges. Fundamental rights inlcude the freedom from hunger, poverty, homlessnesss and all forms of racial discrimination etc. Priveleges are the freedoms to choose to do this or that - the high court has just made this clear in a recent decision in regards to the privilege (not right) to be able to buy alcohol. The government is not taking away the net value of the welfare payments to people and is therefore meeting its obligation to ensure unemployed people are free from hunger, can rent a house for shelter etc etc. It is only the form the payment comes in that is being altered. There is no such thing as a fundamental human right to get welfare payments as 100% cash - many people in many countries get nothing and their fundamental human rights are being denied in this area. This is not the case here. No internationl treaties talk about a right to "100% cash" welfare payments and the government will argue that income management is designed to ensure that welfare funds are better spent on things such as food and housing etc - it is deisgned to ensure that these fudnamental rights are better protected rather than money being spent on alcohol. There is some truth to this argument although this alone cannot jusitfy income quarintining </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=Calibri> Aboriginal people in the NT are not “standing on a rock”, but stuck between that rock and a very hard place. 40,000 Aboriginal people (and not just the 15,000 on welfare income<SPAN class=692364706-26032010> who</SPAN> are currently being income managed<SPAN class=692364706-26032010>)</SPAN>, and have no access whatsoever to the RDA or the NT’s Anti Discrimination Act, let alone things such as the Social Security Appeals Tribunal. What I find <SPAN class=692364706-26032010>hard to understand</SPAN> is that <SPAN class=692364706-26032010>many people</SPAN>, who did <SPAN class=692364706-26032010>little</SPAN> at the time of its imposition and its ongoing carriage, are now carrying on like it’s the end of the world ... for the rest of the nation. People like Eva Cox<SPAN class=692364706-26032010> have entered the debate for the first time and have accused some of the AMSANT policy staff of </SPAN>being “naïve” and selling out.<SPAN class=692364706-26032010> This is a very heated debate.</SPAN><BR><BR>The reality is this: those 40,000 ... and an extra 600 new kids a year ... are being born into a situation that no one else in the country has to endure, ie, lack of access to the RDA etc. Non-passage of this Bill will extend that out indefinitely. <SPAN class=692364706-26032010>I estimated </SPAN>18 months, but there’s no way of being certain of that. What is certain is that passage of the Bill will remove compulsory income management for a significant number of people, and at least allow some access to elements of the RDA, AD Act, SSAT etc.<BR><BR>Then the argument can really start happening about the extension of the social welfare provisions to other Territorians and the rest of the country (which in the latter case starts in 2012). My view is that it will <SPAN class=692364706-26032010>probably </SPAN>collapse under its own weight<SPAN class=692364706-26032010> and then be resticted to people as a last resort who have not enageged with case management, treatment services etc - the Cape York model</SPAN>. ACOSS estimates, at $4400 per person under management, the cost of 20,000 people in the NT will be $88 million a year. Let’s say the rest of the country only cop income management at half the rate of the NT: that means 1 million people, costing around $4.5 billion a year to manage incomes. It’s obviously <SPAN class=692364706-26032010>not that well thought out</SPAN>, more so when it starts hitting people in the electorates of who ever is in power, and starts hitting middle class families—which it will. Then the argument will really hit home, as opposed to the current situation where <SPAN class=692364706-26032010>some on the basis of pure rather than applied principles </SPAN> attack the notion of just restoring the RDA in the NT, while 40,000 <SPAN class=692364706-26032010>Aboriginal people</SPAN> languish. <SPAN class=692364706-26032010>This reminds me of the Kantian postion on ethics - it is always wrong to lie even if telling a lie would stop someone from murdering someone. Ethics need to be teleological and not just deontological in my view althoug I am fully aware of the debate on this issue</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=692364706-26032010>This is a case of d</SPAN>ouble jeopardy for Aboriginal people.<BR><BR>As it currently stands, Aboriginal people in the NT are basically being asked to be sacrificed to save the lifestyles of whitefellas in the rest of the country. <BR><BR>Sound familiar??<BR><BR>And with an indefinite suspension of the RDA etc, the kids being born into this reality—who have no say in it at all—will be growing up into a real “living museum”: the only Australians who are excluded from the RDA. <SPAN class=692364706-26032010>This is much more unacceptable in my view than income quarintining, equitably applied to all citizens across the nation</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Peter Sainsbury [mailto:sainsburyp@email.cs.nsw.gov.au] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 20 March 2010 2:14 PM<BR><B>To:</B> John Boffa; 'Bill Genat'; deborah@gleeson.net; phm-oz@phmoz.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [PHM-Oz] Please oppose welfare reform bill<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I’d just to say that I do not share the view that the suspension of the Racial Discrimination Act is more important than the Welfare Reform issue. I regard both as equally obnoxious, for pretty much identical reasons. That is, that they both undermine fundamental human rights and the rights of Australian citizenship. Income management or income quarantining or whatever you want to call it may or may not be effective in achieving certain policy goals (that is an empirical question that remains unanswered, although I personally have strong reservations about its likely effectiveness, not to mention its cost effectiveness) but whatever its effectiveness the end does not justify the means when basic rights associated with Australian citizenship are removed. Compulsory income management for whole groups of people (as determined by certain sociodemographic criteria such as where you live or your racial background) returns social welfare to the nineteenth century when it was regarded as a contingent privilege handed out by government, charities or philanthropists to individuals or families where were (regarded as) not competent to manage their own affairs, rather than a right of citizenship, a responsibility and an obligation of society at large, effected through elected governments, to ensure that all citizens have the opportunities and resources to maintain a basic acceptable standard of living and involvement in society.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I could say more but I’m sure my main point is clear. I would, however, like to make clear that like everyone else on this listserver, I’m sure, I want something to be done about poverty, drug and alcohol abuse, domestic violence, child abuse etc. etc. but I do not believe that compulsory income management is an acceptable way to effect the improvements desired. And I do believe that ethically acceptable ways of achieving these highly desirable social goals can be devised and implemented. </SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I have been involved in party politics and social and public health advocacy long enough to know that goal achievement is nearly always dependent on compromise when it comes to parliamentary process and policy progress. On certain issues of principle, however, one has to stand on a, rock and refuse to budge. To my mind these two issues are two such rocks (in fact they are the same rock) and I regard it as extremely regrettable that people like us should be arguing the toss about relative importance of the RDA for Aboriginal people in the NT and the welfare rules for non-Aboriginal people across Australia. Citizenship is at stake here.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> phm-oz-bounces@phmoz.org [mailto:phm-oz-bounces@phmoz.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>John Boffa<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 19 March 2010 6:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Bill Genat; deborah@gleeson.net; phm-oz@phmoz.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PHM-Oz] Please oppose welfare reform bill</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I think the attached letter to Macklin from AMSANT, CLC, NLC and NAAJA gives you the wording youa re looking four. I think the Greens stand on this is unprincipled in that they are prepared to allow the Aboriginal people of the NT to be the sacrificial lambs on the income quarantining alter. They are clear in their view that if the RDA has to remain suspended for Aboriginal people in the NT so that they can stop income quarantining applying to non Aboriginal people then this is what they think needs to happen. AMSANT and other organsations have a big problem with this position and if everyone had of been working towards the amendment suggested in this letter we may have got somewhere. At the moment the amendment has not been made and if the legilsation goes though in its current from it allows the positive discrimintation aspects of the NTER to take precedence over the RDA so they cannot be subject to legal challenge. The more letters opposing this the better</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hi John,<BR><BR>Can you please circulate a revised proforma letter that we can send to the Senators advocating the position you have outlined.<BR><BR>Cheers Bill<BR>____________________________________<BR>Dr. Bill Genat<BR>Centre for Health and Society <BR>Onemda VicHealth Koori Health Unit<BR>Melbourne School of Population Health<BR>University of Melbourne<BR>ph: (03) 8344 9375<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On 19/03/10 3:59 PM, "John Boffa" <<A href="">john.boffa@caac.org.au</A>> wrote:</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi Deborah,<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I have discussed with AMSANT and they have confirmed my assesment in my earlier email. It would be very useful if we were getting support for this joint position from the leading NT Aboriginal organsaitions if possible. If this bill does not pass the RDA will remain suspended for at least another 18 months and this is unacceptable. The strategy of pursuing the single critical amendment is we think the best and most politically achievable startegy as it is the suspension of the RDA that is the major evil here not income quarantining in the significantly reformed manner that is now being proposed in the bill. <BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">regards,<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">John<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">John Boffa<BR>Public Health Medical Officer<BR>Central Australian Aboriginal Congress<BR>25 Gap Rd Alice Springs NT, 0870<BR>Ph: 08 89514401<BR>Mobile: 0418 812141<BR>Fax: 08 89514440<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A href="">phm-oz-bounces@phmoz.org</A> [<A href="mailto:phm-oz-bounces@phmoz.org">mailto:phm-oz-bounces@phmoz.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Deborah Gleeson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 19 March 2010 11:53 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="">phm-oz@phmoz.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [PHM-Oz] Please oppose welfare reform bill<BR></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><BR>Dear All,<BR><BR>The draconian disempowering Welfare Quarantining associated with the NT Intervention is about to be extended to welfare recipients around the country (included in legislation intended to also subvert the Racial Discrimination Act). Please oppose the proposed bill, ‘Welfare Reform and Reinstatement of the Racial Discrimination Act’ by writing to Senators. <BR><BR>For detailed information about the issue see the submission by Prof. Jon Altman from ANU: <BR><U><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><A href="http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/clac_ctte/soc_sec_welfare_reform_racial_discrim_09/submissions/sub50.pdf">http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/clac_ctte/soc_sec_welfare_reform_racial_discrim_09/submissions/sub50.pdf</A></SPAN></U> <BR><BR>Further submissions can be read at: <BR><BR><A href="http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/clac_ctte/soc_sec_welfare_reform_racial_discrim_09/submissions/sublist.htm">http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/clac_ctte/soc_sec_welfare_reform_racial_discrim_09/submissions/sublist.htm</A><BR><BR>Please write to your local Liberal Senators requesting they oppose the extension of administrative regulation of Aboriginal (and other welfare recipient’s) lives at:<BR><A href="http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/senators/homepages/index.asp?sort=state">http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/senators/homepages/index.asp?sort=state</A><BR><BR>Regards<BR>Deb<BR><BR><BR>Sample Letter:</SPAN></P>
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